Testme - Final Report
Please provide any comments for Testme "Final Report".
posted by Mark McMillin at
5:12 PM
Sunday, January 20, 2008
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17 Comments:
Fo my I-2 Califonia hospital your formula seems to have switched Type A and B construction, where Type A is the rated construction. In a ideal building the maximum area with NO Fire walls (ie one area) would simply be: 9500 + [(9500x.75)+(9500x3)] = 45125 SF total with maximum frontage increase and full 3x sprinkler increase for my example 1 story building
February 8, 2008 9:58 AM
Dave,
You are correct. I applied section 504.2 which limits the height increase but not the area increase. I will fix it!
February 13, 2008 2:52 PM
I didn't see a place to opt out of using a sprinkler system throughout
March 13, 2008 5:18 PM
Item #1: I think you have a typo on the link to comments "Report an error OF leave comment"
Item #2: Section 507 doesn't appear to be included in the area calculations for an F-1 Occupancy.
March 18, 2008 7:29 AM
it would be great if you referenced code sections for every note. under the occupancy separations i had this text:a. For Group H-5 occupancies, see Section 903.2.4.2. Our Featured Partners:
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b. Occupancy separation need not be provided for storage areas within Groups B and M if the:
___1. Area is less than 10 percent of the floor area;
___2. Area is equipped with an automatic fire-extinguishing system and is less than 3,000 square feet; or
___3. Area is less than 1,000 square feet.
c. Areas used only for private or pleasure vehicles shall be allowed to reduce separation by 1 hour.
d. See Section 406.1.4.
e. Commercial kitchens need not be separated from the restaurant seating areas that they serve.
f. [SFM] For Group I and F1 occupancies shall have a 3 hour separation.
I cannot find code sections which refer to b1, b2 or b3.
thanks.
March 19, 2008 1:09 AM
my report had this statement: "Accessory use areas per section 302.2 of the 2007 California Building Code:"
However there does not seem to be a section 302.2
thanks
March 19, 2008 1:21 AM
The program does not appear to have a way to do calculations if we are using a Fire Wall to create separate buildings. Also no apparent way to assess a building which has parking garage on ground floor and residential above (there would be a 3-hr separation between garage and residential), which creates 2 buildings. Will this be addressed in future versions of this program?
April 4, 2008 2:32 PM
All comments have been addressed other than the final comment from C&A. This will take a few weeks to address.
April 6, 2008 11:00 PM
I have three stories over a subterranean parking garage (S2basement). The "Building area per floor per section 506 of the 2007 California Building Code:" does not show the basement level in its calculations.
June 11, 2008 3:04 PM
hmm...small VB bldg, 7200 sf, 2420 sf is A-2 & remainder is M. for 2003 ibc code comply posted the occupancy separation as a "-" for nil or not required??? I thought it would say 2 hours per table 302.3.2...maybe it defaulted due to other parameters like opting for nonseparated...hmm..maybe user error haha :)...
June 18, 2008 9:24 AM
Your program does not appear to calculate the separation requirements for horizontal separation between R-2, Type VA over an S-2, Type IIA open parking garage. There is no option to input data for different construction types.
June 30, 2008 8:43 AM
I did a prototypical analysis for an assisted living senior facility with a large dining area (I-1/A2 - Type VA Bldg., Sprinkled, Two stories). The results page indicated that the height was too large for the I-1 Occupancy. However, Table 503 shows 3 stories as the basic allowable height for that occupancy and construction type. It appears that there is a glitch in the program for that item. Is this correct?
August 5, 2008 3:47 PM
There does not seem to be a distinction between height and number of stories in the results page. These are separate and distinct requirements in Table 503. Depending on the height of each individual floor, the total number of stories may comply with the table, but the overall height might be exceeded. The results page says "Building Height Check" but only appears to address the number of stories. Is there a separate area that distinguishes between building height and number of stories allowed?
August 5, 2008 4:04 PM
As I was exploring different parameters for building size, occupancy type, construction type and layout, I found that the only way to change the information that was inputted was to hit the "Back" button and "Forward" button at the top of the sheet. However, when I did that I sometimes had to re-enter all of the information that I had already entered when I went forward again. Is there a way to edit and change the parameters without having to go all the way back through the sheets and re-enter the information?
August 5, 2008 4:09 PM
strip shopping center - entering in "fire areas" for mixed uses separated by "fire barriers" does not appear to be an option.
August 8, 2008 7:29 AM
In the Code Criteria Report, Building Area per Floor calcs are shown for Nonseparated Ratio and Separated Ratio. Then the next summary indicates the Maximum Allowable Building Area for SEPARATED Use only, not for Non-Separated use. If I don't want to do a Separated Use building, how do I know the Building Area is OK? This also occurs in the next section, Allowable Number of Stories: with the category "Final Allowable Number of Stories for Separated Use". Non-separated use is not addressed.
August 11, 2008 2:32 PM
I have a few new things and some responses to Steve's comments.
1. small VB bldg, 7200 sf, 2420 sf is A-2 & remainder is M. for 2003 ibc code comply posted the occupancy separation as a "-" for nil or not required??? I thought it would say 2 hours per table 302.3.2.
***I checked this and it appears to work with the 2006 building code. I will check the 2003 version tonight and fix it.
2. Your program does not appear to calculate the separation requirements for horizontal separation between R-2, Type VA over an S-2, Type IIA open parking garage. There is no option to input data for different construction types.
***At the current time the program does not analyze 2 buildings on 1 report. You need to anaylze them seperately. This feature is being worked on at this time.
3. There does not seem to be a distinction between height and number of stories in the results page. These are separate and distinct requirements in Table 503. Depending on the height of each individual floor, the total number of stories may comply with the table, but the overall height might be exceeded. The results page says "Building Height Check" but only appears to address the number of stories. Is there a separate area that distinguishes between building height and number of stories allowed?
***There is a "maximum building height" in feet check below the number of stories check.
4. As I was exploring different parameters for building size, occupancy type, construction type and layout, I found that the only way to change the information that was inputted was to hit the "Back" button and "Forward" button at the top of the sheet. However, when I did that I sometimes had to re-enter all of the information that I had already entered when I went forward again. Is there a way to edit and change the parameters without having to go all the way back through the sheets and re-enter the information?
***The user's session is stored while the user is going back and forth between pages. I built in features so that the user wouldn't lose his data on the more important pages, but I will check it again.
5. strip shopping center - entering in "fire areas" for mixed uses separated by "fire barriers" does not appear to be an option.
***right now you need to do 2 separate buildings if you want to use fire areas and separate buildings.
6. In the Code Criteria Report, Building Area per Floor calcs are shown for Nonseparated Ratio and Separated Ratio. Then the next summary indicates the Maximum Allowable Building Area for SEPARATED Use only, not for Non-Separated use. If I don't want to do a Separated Use building, how do I know the Building Area is OK? This also occurs in the next section, Allowable Number of Stories: with the category "Final Allowable Number of Stories for Separated Use". Non-separated use is not addressed.
***I went back in over the weekend and added separated and non-separated for building area. This should be much clearer and more useful. I will also add in a separated/non-separated section for the building height.
August 27, 2008 10:19 AM
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